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HynekRk
Re: V praxi
Uživatel Dobrý Den napsal:Právě jsme v zaměstnání debatovali o bydlení a kolegyně mi suveréně vysvětlila, že nebýt paneláků, už bychom dávno nebyly soběstační v potravinách, protože by nebyly kde pěstovat, když by všude stály domy. A hlavně: za komunistů dostal každý byt v paneláku zadarmo a ne za dnešní nekřesťanské peníze. Takhle tedy zatočila s mými kapitalistickými názory.
No bytovky se stavěli běžně i v 19. století a za 1. republiky. Mimochodem čekací doba na byt v paneláku byl v Brně ke konci 80. let 20. století cca 20 let (vycházím z případu mého bratra). Byt zadarmo rozhodně nebyl běžný: za družstevní byt se platilo začátkem 70 let několik desítek tisíc Kčs (dnešní ekvivalent by byl statisíce Kč) a i to, co bylo "zadarmo" musel někdo zaplatit - a platili opět lidé. Sehnat dekret třeba v Práglu dalo práci a peníze V potravinách není naše země soběstačná a ani za komančů nebyla ve všech soběstačná.
Mrkněte k bydlení i sem: http://www.mises.cz/clanky/recenze-myty-o-socialistickych-casech-556.aspx
"Za druhé se nedostatky projevovaly v nedostatečných investicích do obnovy stávající kapitálové struktury ekonomiky. Nedostatečné investice do kapitálové struktury pak ohrožovaly i stávající úroveň spotřeby. Jako příklad lze z knihy uvést bydlení - což je jedna z věcí, která byla za komunismu „levnější“ než dnes (nájem byl v Praze 400 Kčs/měsíc za třípokojový byt) - a tuto problematiku lze rozšířit na budovy jako celek. Šedé neopravené fasády většiny tehdejších měst si pamatuje asi každý. Tím se zároveň dostáváme i ke čtvrtému mýtu – „žádní bezdomovci, každý měl kde bydlet“, který se věnuje bydlení podrobněji. Autoři k tomu píší: „Nízké nájmy a ceny bydlení zase způsobovaly, že státní podniky a družstva neměly peníze na opravy domů, věčně v nich nic nefungovalo, stovky krásných, historicky cenných budov ... chátraly a pustly.“ [16] Budovy byly doslova spotřebovávány. Dodejme, že na byt se čekalo mnoho let [17].
Stálo by za to do knihy doplnit třináctý mýtus, a to sice, že u nás byl vybudován socialismus - tj. odstraněn kapitalismus. Kapitalismus však byl přítomen (byť značně zdeformovaný) i za socialismu, a to v podobě černého trhu (mimo to však byl přítomen i v podobě „opisování“ cen ze Západu plánovácími komisemi). Centrální plánování a z něho plynoucí nedostatková ekonomika byla vodou na mlýn černého trhu. Díky černému trhu byl socialismus o něco snesitelnější. Jsme-li u bydlení, tak autoři uvádí: „Ke konci osmdesátých let bylo možné koupit v Praze byt za pár desítek tisíc korun (dle velikosti a místa), ovšem byt vám pochopitelně nepatřil, pouze jste podvodem mohli získat tzv. dekret [vlastně právo na podnájem, pozn. autora].“ [18] Trh nelze nikdy zcela potlačit, i když bude režim zvlášť tuhý. Čím bude postup brutálnější, tím vyšší bude riziková přirážka, a tím větší motivaci budou mít lidé ochotní podstupovat riziko."
Těch pár desítek tisíc by přepočteno (jakože to přesně řepočítat moc nelze) na dnes bylo sakra více.
HynekRk
Dodatek
Mimochodem naše země má nižší hustotu obyvatelstva než řada západních zemí, a přesto to tam jde žít i bez soběstačnosti. U nás také za poslední dobu přibývá lesa.Také za komunismu ve skutečnosti při výrobě potravin žádná velká soběstačnost v ČSSR nebyla - neb ty kombajny, traktory, náklaďáky, ... makaly na palivo ze sovětských surovin!
Jakub Skala
Re: Dodatek
Uživatel HynekRk napsal:Mimochodem naše země má nižší hustotu obyvatelstva než řada západních zemí, a přesto to tam jde žít i bez soběstačnosti. U nás také za poslední dobu přibývá lesa.
Také za komunismu ve skutečnosti při výrobě potravin žádná velká soběstačnost v ČSSR nebyla - neb ty kombajny, traktory, náklaďáky, ... makaly na palivo ze sovětských surovin!
Mě ta potravinová soběstačnost vždy pobaví, existuje v ekonomii něco nesmyslnějšího? :)
Dobrý Den
Re: Re: Dodatek
Uživatel Jakub napsal:
Mě ta potravinová soběstačnost vždy pobaví, existuje v ekonomii něco nesmyslnějšího? :)
Existuje. Názor, že za komunistů bylo něco zadarmo.
Tomáš Fiala
Re: V praxi
Uživatel Dobrý Den napsal:Právě jsme v zaměstnání debatovali o bydlení a kolegyně mi suveréně vysvětlila, že nebýt paneláků, už bychom dávno nebyly soběstační v potravinách, protože by nebyly kde pěstovat, když by všude stály domy. A hlavně: za komunistů dostal každý byt v paneláku zadarmo a ne za dnešní nekřesťanské peníze. Takhle tedy zatočila s mými kapitalistickými názory.
To mě děsí, jak lidi zapoměli!!!
Dobrý Den
Re: Re: V praxi
Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...
To mě děsí, jak lidi zapoměli!!!
Nejhorší na tom je, že někteří nezapomněli. Prostě jim ten komunistycky zahnívající styl života vyhovuje.
Jakub Skala
Re: Re: Re: Dodatek
Uživatel Dobrý Den napsal:Uživatel Jakub napsal:...
Existuje. Názor, že za komunistů bylo něco zadarmo.
Pravda :)
Petr Málek
Re: Re: V praxi
Uživatel HynekRk napsal:...
Hynku, ty jsi zde přes tu historii :), nemáš nějaké podrobnější info k tomu srovnání dostupnosti bydlení? Podle mě je to víceméně jediná důležitá věc, která byla za komoušů levnější, a obvykle je to jediný argument, který je schopen důchodce splodit, když vzpomíná, jak bylo dobře.
Zajímala by mě třeba nějaká průměrná čekací doba na přidělení bytu, průměrné velikosti bytů, náklady na pořízení apod....
Tomáš Fiala
Re: Re: Re: V praxi
Uživatel Dobrý Den napsal:Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...
Nejhorší na tom je, že někteří nezapomněli. Prostě jim ten komunistycky zahnívající styl života vyhovuje.
Ne, to není možný. Kdyby dneska museli mladí manželé s malým dítětem čekat na byt minimálně 15 let, bydlet zatím v pokojíčku u rodičů nebo na černém trhu platit za byt černý holý nájem ve výši čisté mzdy prodavačky v Pramenu (dnes Tescu), kdyby mladá mamča musela pamatovat na to, aby měla doma zásobu vložek, kdyby ovoce k sehnání pro to dítě byla jen jabka, v létě třešně a na podzim švestky, jogurtů tři druhy za v přepočtu cca 20 ká za kus, auto 10 let starý vrak/žebřiňák před rozpadnutím - o 15-20 let starém, leč daleko kvalitnějším golfu by si mohli nechat zdát... Pytel cementu stál díky projetému benzínu pomalu dvakrát tolik, než byla jeho cena, protože člověk musel autem objet všechny stavebniny široko daleko, aby ho sehnal. Šlapací kolo (favorit, skládačka) se shánělo za flašku myslivce od známých v obchodě, pro maso se chodilo s řezníkem "dozadu"... O nelepících dopisních obálkách dokonce mluvil na sjezdu strany i předseda vlády (Štrougal)... Získat telefonní linku (i pro "spolehlivé") bylo díky příšerně zanedbané infrastruktuře na hranici zázraku... Ne, to si myslím, že fakt lidi zapoměli. To kdyby dneska přišlo, tak se lidi zblázněj.
Mí rodiče se brali v ´62. a zažádali si o byt. Já se narodil v ´66. A na první díly Nemocnice na kraji města jsme UŽ koukali v novém bytě (tuším že ´77-8) :-))).
Dobrý Den
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Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...
Ne, to není možný. Kdyby dneska museli mladí manželé s malým dítětem čekat na byt minimálně 15 let, bydlet zatím v pokojíčku u rodičů nebo na černém trhu platit za byt černý holý nájem ve výši čisté mzdy prodavačky v Pramenu (dnes Tescu), kdyby mladá mamča musela pamatovat na to, aby měla doma zásobu vložek, kdyby ovoce k sehnání pro to dítě byla jen jabka, v létě třešně a na podzim švestky, jogurtů tři druhy za v přepočtu cca 20 ká za kus, auto 10 let starý vrak/žebřiňák před rozpadnutím - o 15-20 let starém, leč daleko kvalitnějším golfu by si mohli nechat zdát... Pytel cementu stál díky projetému benzínu pomalu dvakrát tolik, než byla jeho cena, protože člověk musel autem objet všechny stavebniny široko daleko, aby ho sehnal. Šlapací kolo (favorit, skládačka) se shánělo za flašku myslivce od známých v obchodě, pro maso se chodilo s řezníkem "dozadu"... O nelepících dopisních obálkách dokonce mluvil na sjezdu strany i předseda vlády (Štrougal)... Získat telefonní linku (i pro "spolehlivé") bylo díky příšerně zanedbané infrastruktuře na hranici zázraku... Ne, to si myslím, že fakt lidi zapoměli. To kdyby dneska přišlo, tak se lidi zblázněj.
Mí rodiče se brali v ´62. a zažádali si o byt. Já se narodil v ´66. A na první díly Nemocnice na kraji města jsme UŽ koukali v novém bytě (tuším že ´77-8) :-))).
Mě zase přijde stěží uvěřitelné, že tolik lidí ztratilo paměť. Protože těch co adorují komunismus je kolem mě opravdu hodně.
Tomáš Fiala
Re: Re: Re: V praxi
Uživatel Petr Málek napsal:Uživatel HynekRk napsal:...
Hynku, ty jsi zde přes tu historii :), nemáš nějaké podrobnější info k tomu srovnání dostupnosti bydlení? Podle mě je to víceméně jediná důležitá věc, která byla za komoušů levnější, a obvykle je to jediný argument, který je schopen důchodce splodit, když vzpomíná, jak bylo dobře.
Zajímala by mě třeba nějaká průměrná čekací doba na přidělení bytu, průměrné velikosti bytů, náklady na pořízení apod....
Jak dlouho čekali na byt mí rodiče - viz výše. Já jsem okolo matury šel na MNV si pro legraci zažádat o byt. Bylo mi 19. Šanci jsem měl nejdříve v 35... Za byt na černém trhu se platil holý nájem tak 1.000-1.500,- (plat prodavačky v sámošce byl cca 1.500,- hrubého, nástupní plat VŠ 1.600-1.900,-). Členský příspěvek do družstva na družstevní byt se pohyboval okolo 50.000,-. Průměrná mzda v roce ´89 byla cca 3.200,-... A nájem v družstevním bytě byl cca 3x vyšší, než ve státním bytě, protože družstvo se staralo o svůj panelák plně ve vlastní režiji.
Dnešní holý nájem za běžný byt v mém okresním městě očištěný o inflaci není nijak příliš vyšší, než ten "levný" komunistický. Ten se pohyboval ve státním bytě kolem 400,-. Možná je vyšší ve městech, jako je Praha nebo Brno.
HynekRk
Re: Re: Re: V praxi
Uživatel Petr Málek napsal:Uživatel HynekRk napsal:...
Hynku, ty jsi zde přes tu historii :), nemáš nějaké podrobnější info k tomu srovnání dostupnosti bydlení? Podle mě je to víceméně jediná důležitá věc, která byla za komoušů levnější, a obvykle je to jediný argument, který je schopen důchodce splodit, když vzpomíná, jak bylo dobře.
Zajímala by mě třeba nějaká průměrná čekací doba na přidělení bytu, průměrné velikosti bytů, náklady na pořízení apod....
Tak o toto období se moc tak nezajímám. Já vycházím ze zkušeností v rodině, od známých atp. a právě z Mýtů o socialistických časech. To že byl bytový fond zchátralý bylo patrné na první pohled. Ani přesně nevím, kde to hledat. Nicméně literatury na téma komunismus přibývá a občas si z toho něco přečtu. No a komentrář pana Fialy si rovnou kopíruji.
HynekRk
Re: Re: Re: Re: V praxi
Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:Uživatel Petr Málek napsal:...
Jak dlouho čekali na byt mí rodiče - viz výše. Já jsem okolo matury šel na MNV si pro legraci zažádat o byt. Bylo mi 19. Šanci jsem měl nejdříve v 35... Za byt na černém trhu se platil holý nájem tak 1.000-1.500,- (plat prodavačky v sámošce byl cca 1.500,- hrubého, nástupní plat VŠ 1.600-1.900,-). Členský příspěvek do družstva na družstevní byt se pohyboval okolo 50.000,-. Průměrná mzda v roce ´89 byla cca 3.200,-... A nájem v družstevním bytě byl cca 3x vyšší, než ve státním bytě, protože družstvo se staralo o svůj panelák plně ve vlastní režiji.
Dnešní holý nájem za běžný byt v mém okresním městě očištěný o inflaci není nijak příliš vyšší, než ten "levný" komunistický. Ten se pohyboval ve státním bytě kolem 400,-. Možná je vyšší ve městech, jako je Praha nebo Brno.
Já musím dodat, že moje rodiče měli problém vyjít s penězi na konci 60. let, když máti byla na mateřské. A to byl otec VŠ a bydleli v družstevním. Ale prý to bylo tehdy lepší - jasně byli mladí, ale to je tak všechno :)
Jakub Skala
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Uživatel HynekRk napsal:Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...
Já musím dodat, že moje rodiče měli problém vyjít s penězi na konci 60. let, když máti byla na mateřské. A to byl otec VŠ a bydleli v družstevním. Ale prý to bylo tehdy lepší - jasně byli mladí, ale to je tak všechno :)
To je přesně ono, lidi si pamatují, že byli mladí a to je potom všechno lepší. No a špatné zážitky z hlavy vytěsní a vyjde jim z toho pak taková šílenost..
Tomáš Fiala
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Uživatel HynekRk napsal:Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...
Já musím dodat, že moje rodiče měli problém vyjít s penězi na konci 60. let, když máti byla na mateřské. A to byl otec VŠ a bydleli v družstevním. Ale prý to bylo tehdy lepší - jasně byli mladí, ale to je tak všechno :)
Já občas přemýšlím z čeho konkrétně vychází představa některých lidí, že "tehdy" bylo líp. Ono jde zřejmě o to, že po celých posledních 20 let jsou kolem nás "samé průšvihy": nehospodaření státu, malé domů, zvláštní ceny státních zakázek apod. Jenže kupodivu málo lidí si uvědomuje, že všechno tohle bylo za socíku zabudováno přímo do systému celého hospodářství, v drtivé většině případů přímo do jeho zákonodárství.
př. 1) Státní podniky příkladně na konci roku projížděly zbůhdarma benzín, jen aby nedostaly příští rok menší příděl. Objem nákladů byl naplánován. Takže logicky, co by si státní podnik počal v situaci, že příští rok v nějaké jiné situaci bude najednou potřebovat víc jezdit? Dneska se lidi můžou zvencnout, když státní aparát na konci roku utrácí příděly na kancelářské potřeby. No jo, ale stát příští rok vymyslí nějakou zhůvěřilost a státní aparát bude muset třeba tisknout vyhlášky a oběžníky jak na běžícím pásu a v listopadu nebude mít na co? Nějak nevidím rozdíl v té podstatě.
př. 2) Krajský tajemník strany bydlel v krajském městě shodou okolností ve stejném typu paneláku, jako my. Na patře byli po dvou byty 2+1 a 3+1. On měl jedno celé patro spojené. Kolem něj čekali lidi několik pětiletek na byt a on si jistě taky vystál frontu na ten "4-byt" na byťáku. Ne, to určitě nebyla nějaká "úlitba bohům".
př. 3) Vzpomeňte na zprávy. Komunisti se přímo vychloubali tím, kolik statisíců nebo milionů "proinvestovali" (zahučelo) do nějaké stavby. K porovnání cen jste měl jen jiné státní zakázky an jiné nebyly... Takže problémy s předražením jakoby nebyly. A kdo dával podklady pro tvorbu cen? IPS n.p., SSŽ n.p., Vodní stavby n.p. ... Ti si jistě zadali podklady poctivě.
Atd., etc... O některých věcech se psát nesmělo, některé byly v zákonech, takže byly "v pořádku" no a pár nepodstatných šlendriánů omílala Kotvová s Hrabovským v Aktualitách. Dneska se může psát o všem. Taky máme srovnání cen ve státním a soukromém. To, na co načapali dnes Ratha, bylo tehdy buď tabu nebo se "krabice od vína" provedla oficiálně a prezentovalo se to jako nějaké vyznamenání vysoko postavenému soudruhovi za zásluhy o výstavbu socialistické společnosti k výročí 25. února...
Tomáš Fiala
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Uživatel Jakub napsal:Uživatel HynekRk napsal:...
To je přesně ono, lidi si pamatují, že byli mladí a to je potom všechno lepší. No a špatné zážitky z hlavy vytěsní a vyjde jim z toho pak taková šílenost..
Nevím, jestli jste byl na vojně. Ale kdyby se sešla Vaše rota/četa, tak zažijete večer plný srandy vyplněný pouze a jen příhodami z vojny. A to je na vojně 95% času, abych tak po vojensku řekl, jebárna na piču. :-)
Jakub Skala
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Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:Uživatel Jakub napsal:...
Nevím, jestli jste byl na vojně. Ale kdyby se sešla Vaše rota/četa, tak zažijete večer plný srandy vyplněný pouze a jen příhodami z vojny. A to je na vojně 95% času, abych tak po vojensku řekl, jebárna na piču. :-)
Naštěstí nebyl :) Ale to je přesně ono.
Martin
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Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:Uživatel Jakub napsal:Já bohužel základní vojenskou službu ještě stihl jako jeden z posledních ročníků. Tehdy mě to dost sralo, protože sem po škole dostal nabídku jít pracovat do zahraničí, ale místo toho sem byl povolán bránit vlast:-( Když si představim, že bych tam byl dva roky jako za komárů, tak asi dezertuju....
Nevím, jestli jste byl na vojně. Ale kdyby se sešla Vaše rota/četa, tak zažijete večer plný srandy vyplněný pouze a jen příhodami z vojny. A to je na vojně 95% času, abych tak po vojensku řekl, jebárna na piču. :-)
Petr Málek
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Hynek & Tomáš:Díky za info. Já bohužel info z rodiny moc nemám, resp. mám, ale není objektivní, protože děda z mámy strany byl v armádě, tj. měl samozřejmě byt od armády (3+1 v paneláku), no a děda z tátovy strany zase byl jeden z hodně mála lidí v ČSR, kteří uměli spravovat sálové počítače, takže ačkoliv nebyl ve straně, komouši si ho na ty poměry dost předcházeli (měli 2+1 v činžáku).
Spíš by mě zajímalo, jak to bylo mezi běžnými lidmi.
Tomáš Fiala
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Uživatel Petr Málek napsal:Hynek & Tomáš:
Díky za info. Já bohužel info z rodiny moc nemám, resp. mám, ale není objektivní, protože děda z mámy strany byl v armádě, tj. měl samozřejmě byt od armády (3+1 v paneláku), no a děda z tátovy strany zase byl jeden z hodně mála lidí v ČSR, kteří uměli spravovat sálové počítače, takže ačkoliv nebyl ve straně, komouši si ho na ty poměry dost předcházeli (měli 2+1 v činžáku).
Spíš by mě zajímalo, jak to bylo mezi běžnými lidmi.
No bylo to zhruba tak, jak jsem popsal. Mladí se vzali a podali si žádost o byt. Následně se nastěhovali do dětského pokoje k jedněm z rodičů a tam si "upekli" mimčo. Tím mimčem mj. získali nárok na větší byt (2+1 až 3+1). Čekací doba na byt byla minimálně 15 let bez ohledu na stav člověka. Svobodnost/sezdanost nebo bez/dětnost měla pouze vliv na velikost přiděleného bytu, nikoli na délku čekání.
Pokud se do té doby všichni nezbláznili nebo nerozhádali a ti dva se nerozvedli (dost častý jev), tak jak jen to bylo možné, šoupli dítě do jeslí a mamina si šla sednout za kasu do sámošky, k sečítačce do účtárny apod. Na černém trhu si sehnali podnájem bytu 2+1 a na ten včetně inkasa padla celá výplata maminy a většinou i část výplaty táty. Takže i ta proklamovaná hrooozně výhodná bezúročná novomanželská půjčka docela zatížila rodinný rozpočet. Vemte si, že to byli lidi na začátku své profesní kariéry - zejména ta mamča po mateřské, takže jejich výplaty byly mnohdy na úrovni žena/muž 1.200,-/1.800,- Kčs. No a zhruba v době, kdy dítě šlo do učení nebo na střední dostali konečně byt. To byla v podstatě situace moje a dá se říct všech mých spolužáků, kteří nebydleli v rodinném domku - po dědovi a babičce. Na nový tehdy neměl nikdo z rodičů mých spolužáků... Pokud měli rodiče, kteří dali dceři věno ve výši x desítek tisíc korun, měli na družstevní příspěvek. Jenže to taky žádná sranda nebyla, protože ani těch družstev nebyl dostatek, přestože 50.000,- členský příspěvek byl strašný ranec peněz, běžná - ne až tak špatná - čistá výplata za dva roky... Takže i na místo v družstvu se čekalo několik let, bohužel nevím přesně.
V mém případě to byl následující příběh.
Rodiče se vzali v roce ´62, dali si žádost o byt a našli si rovnou podnájem u starých lidí v bytě 4. kategorie bez vody (výlevka na chodbě) a jakéhokoli sociálního vybavení (1 záchod na chodbě na patro). Upřímně řečeno to v té době nebylo neobvyklé. Ti, protože byli bezdětní, jim umožnili, aby se k nim trvale přihlásili s tím, že jsou staří a mým budoucím rodičům alespoň po nich - až zemřou - zůstane byt. Což se následně stalo a já mohl přijít na svět. Při přepisu dekretu však hygienik prohlásil byt za nevhodný k obývání... Nešlo ani tak o vybavení bytu, ale o celkový příšerný stav toho starého státem neudržovaného domu, který se zvenku i zevnitř pomaličku rozpadal. Ono už bylo 20 let po válce a od té doby do něj stát nedal ani kačku na jakoukoli údržbu. Vzhledem k tomu, že měli podanou žádost o byt, povolil obývat byt na jeden rok. Byt naši samozřejmě nedostali, tak rok co rok chodili za hygienikem s nějakým všimným (nevím už jestli to byla hotovost nebo nějaká lepší lahev), aby jim prodloužil povolení na další rok. Takže rodiče začali (do státního majetku!) vrážet peníze, aby z toho udělali byt z vodou, záchodem a koupelnou. A když jsme jednou přišli ze školy/práce domů a na mém polštáři v posteli leželo kus omítky s rákosem ze stropu, odnesla ho máma na byťák, tam jim to "slušně" předala (nevím, co by se stalo, kdyby mi to v noci spadlo na hlavu cca ze 3,5 m) a po 15 letech čekání se naši dočkali nového bytu...
Perlička na závěr. V tom mém rodném domě je dnes... FINANČNÍ ÚŘAD!!! :-///
HynekRk
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Uživatel Jakub napsal:Uživatel HynekRk napsal:...
To je přesně ono, lidi si pamatují, že byli mladí a to je potom všechno lepší. No a špatné zážitky z hlavy vytěsní a vyjde jim z toho pak taková šílenost..
Souhlas!
HynekRk
Krajské město
Pane Fiala pokud to není tajné, tak které krajské město to bylo s tím tajemníkem?Já našel něco podobného v literatuře o Vsetíně. Také jsem po revoluci byl v Bílem domě v Brně a čučel jsem na ty kachličky a dřevěné obložení.
Jinak máte recht v tom, že lidi porovnávají hrušky s jablky. Dobu v které se informace tutlaly a dobu, kdy vyplave na povrch toho hodně. Takový Rath by za komančů byl v novinách (a spíše jen malá zpráva) jen tehdy, pokud by už moc štval někoho na vyšším fýrerovském stupni, a to ještě jen především jako varování ostatním soudruhům.
Tomáš Fiala
Re: Krajské město
Uživatel HynekRk napsal:Pane Fiala pokud to není tajné, tak které krajské město to bylo s tím tajemníkem?
Já našel něco podobného v literatuře o Vsetíně. Také jsem po revoluci byl v Bílem domě v Brně a čučel jsem na ty kachličky a dřevěné obložení.
Jinak máte recht v tom, že lidi porovnávají hrušky s jablky. Dobu v které se informace tutlaly a dobu, kdy vyplave na povrch toho hodně. Takový Rath by za komančů byl v novinách (a spíše jen malá zpráva) jen tehdy, pokud by už moc štval někoho na vyšším fýrerovském stupni, a to ještě jen především jako varování ostatním soudruhům.
Ústí nad Labem
HynekRk
Re: Re: Krajské město
Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:Uživatel HynekRk napsal:...
Ústí nad Labem
Díky.
Petr Málek
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Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...
Ještě jednou díky za detailní informace :) Nepřidá se ještě někdo se svými zkušenostmi nebo zkušenostmi svých rodičů? :)
libertarian
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Uživatel Petr Málek napsal:Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...
Ještě jednou díky za detailní informace :) Nepřidá se ještě někdo se svými zkušenostmi nebo zkušenostmi svých rodičů? :)
Ja by som teda mal hodne toho povedať. Ale je to zbytočné. Bolševicky zmyšlajuci ludia to neprijmu , hoci to sami zažili. A tí mladí, tým je to zväčša aj tak celkom jedno.
Ludia si musia ten socializmus prežiť znova, a potom možno niektorí aj uveria. A mnohí ani potom nie.
Martin
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Uživatel libertarian napsal:Uživatel Petr Málek napsal:Důvody proč (téměř všichni) lidé všeobecně přijimají socialismus pěkně shrnul Jakub Wiśniewski http://www.jakubw.com/2010/12/ten-reasons-why-statism-is-nearly.html...
Ja by som teda mal hodne toho povedať. Ale je to zbytočné. Bolševicky zmyšlajuci ludia to neprijmu , hoci to sami zažili. A tí mladí, tým je to zväčša aj tak celkom jedno.
Ludia si musia ten socializmus prežiť znova, a potom možno niektorí aj uveria. A mnohí ani potom nie.
Tomáš Fiala
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Uživatel libertarian napsal:Uživatel Petr Málek napsal:...
Ja by som teda mal hodne toho povedať. Ale je to zbytočné. Bolševicky zmyšlajuci ludia to neprijmu , hoci to sami zažili. A tí mladí, tým je to zväčša aj tak celkom jedno.
Ludia si musia ten socializmus prežiť znova, a potom možno niektorí aj uveria. A mnohí ani potom nie.
No. s těmi mladými je jeden problém. Oni když se dozvědí skutečná čísla výplata/ceny čehokoli, tak jen čumí. A pokud to nejsou ignoranti, tak si můžou průměrnou výplatu a ceny z roku 1989 najít na netu.
Ale je fakt, že lži typu, každý měl byt a levný, jsou na pěst. Ne těm mladým.
Tomáš Fiala
Ještě jedno doplnění bych měl
Téměř všechna sídliště v okamžiku, kdy už se do nich nastěhovali obyvatelé byla vlastně "polotovary". Chodníky nedodělané nebo i neexistující, lidi si beze srandy mnohdy doma obouvali holínky a po přebrodění staveniště se teprve na zastávce autobusu přezouvali do "civilních" bot. Ne to není sranda. Ptáte se, jak tam proboha rodiny manipulovaly s kočárky? No... manipulovaly. Neumím si to dneska představit. Používaly se vozovky, po staveništní technikou doslova rozmrdaném blátě mezi domy, kde měly být chodníky, byla třeba položená stavební prkna, aby to aspoň nějak šlo... Po škole si v takovém prostředí plném stavebního odpadu hrály děti. Paráda, že? Po "rychlou jehlou" překotném "spíchnutí" chodníků (jak asi vypadala jejich kvalita...) se tyto opět rozkopaly, protože bylo potřeba položit nějaké inženýrské sítě. Čímž tu kvalitu chodníků naše stavební Brigády socialistické práce ještě o něco "pozvedly". Pro větší výsměch lidem to, co tam bylo potřeba pod chodníky položit, povětšinou byla telefonní síť, která byla k hoxnu. An na tom sídlišti tedy byla tím pádem roztahaná, ale její kapacita mimo to sídliště byla zoufalá... Občanská vybavenost, jak se tomu tehdy říkalo (obchod, restaurace, nějaké služby, dětské hřiště...) byly na úrovni 0. Několik let trvalo, než se podařilo otevřít nějakou sámošku. Nebo dokonce ŠKOLU!!! A to si ji mnohdy celou nebo alespoň z části zadarmo postavili sami lidi na tom sídlišti. Téhle otrocké práci zadarmo se vznešeně a naprosto oficiálně říkalo "Akce Zet". A dříve zmíněnou s. Kotvovou a s. Hrabovským nám to bylo v Aktualitách prezentováno jako příklad socialistického soužití pracujících a budování vyspělé socialistické společnosti. Představte si, že by nás dneska nějaký obchodník přiměl (proboha jak???!!!) postavit mu zadáčo Jednotu..., ehm pardon obchod/hospodu, aby nám tam pak prodával své zboží za účelem plnění plánu a hospodářského výsledku..., ehm pardon dosažení zisku. Mnohdy od nastěhování prvních nájemníků k jakémus takémus dodělání sídliště do obyvatelné podoby uteklo třeba i 5 let. V každém okrením městě je alespoň jedno velké sídliště. A minimálně pro něj to platí. U některých menších se to přeci jen jakž takž podařilo dokopat zhruba ve stejnou dobu, kdy se tam začali stěhovat lidi. Tedy až na tu "občanskou vybavenost". Tam většinou nezbylo nic jiného, než použít nějakou formu "socialistického soužití pracujících", jinak by lidi měli ruce vytahaný jak vopice od vláčení nákupů z města.Takový to byl krááásný život, bez těch dnešních hnusných jen po mamonu toužících developerů...
pepe9
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Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:Uživatel Petr Málek napsal:
Perlička na závěr. V tom mém rodném domě je dnes... FINANČNÍ ÚŘAD!!! :-///
Tak teraz by im to malo drbnut z 3,5 metra na hlavu
Martin
Re: Ještě jedno doplnění bych měl
Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:Téměř všechna sídliště v okamžiku, kdy už se do nich nastěhovali obyvatelé byla vlastně "polotovary". Chodníky nedodělané nebo i neexistující, lidi si beze srandy mnohdy doma obouvali holínky a po přebrodění staveniště se teprve na zastávce autobusu přezouvali do "civilních" bot. Ne to není sranda. Ptáte se, jak tam proboha rodiny manipulovaly s kočárky? No... manipulovaly. Neumím si to dneska představit. Používaly se vozovky, po staveništní technikou doslova rozmrdaném blátě mezi domy, kde měly být chodníky, byla třeba položená stavební prkna, aby to aspoň nějak šlo... Po škole si v takovém prostředí plném stavebního odpadu hrály děti. Paráda, že? Po "rychlou jehlou" překotném "spíchnutí" chodníků (jak asi vypadala jejich kvalita...) se tyto opět rozkopaly, protože bylo potřeba položit nějaké inženýrské sítě. Čímž tu kvalitu chodníků naše stavební Brigády socialistické práce ještě o něco "pozvedly". Pro větší výsměch lidem to, co tam bylo potřeba pod chodníky položit, povětšinou byla telefonní síť, která byla k hoxnu. An na tom sídlišti tedy byla tím pádem roztahaná, ale její kapacita mimo to sídliště byla zoufalá... Občanská vybavenost, jak se tomu tehdy říkalo (obchod, restaurace, nějaké služby, dětské hřiště...) byly na úrovni 0. Několik let trvalo, než se podařilo otevřít nějakou sámošku. Nebo dokonce ŠKOLU!!! A to si ji mnohdy celou nebo alespoň z části zadarmo postavili sami lidi na tom sídlišti. Téhle otrocké práci zadarmo se vznešeně a naprosto oficiálně říkalo "Akce Zet". A dříve zmíněnou s. Kotvovou a s. Hrabovským nám to bylo v Aktualitách prezentováno jako příklad socialistického soužití pracujících a budování vyspělé socialistické společnosti. Představte si, že by nás dneska nějaký obchodník přiměl (proboha jak???!!!) postavit mu zadáčo Jednotu..., ehm pardon obchod/hospodu, aby nám tam pak prodával své zboží za účelem plnění plánu a hospodářského výsledku..., ehm pardon dosažení zisku. Mnohdy od nastěhování prvních nájemníků k jakémus takémus dodělání sídliště do obyvatelné podoby uteklo třeba i 5 let. V každém okrením městě je alespoň jedno velké sídliště. A minimálně pro něj to platí. U některých menších se to přeci jen jakž takž podařilo dokopat zhruba ve stejnou dobu, kdy se tam začali stěhovat lidi. Tedy až na tu "občanskou vybavenost". Tam většinou nezbylo nic jiného, než použít nějakou formu "socialistického soužití pracujících", jinak by lidi měli ruce vytahaný jak vopice od vláčení nákupů z města.Pane Fiala neuvažujete o napsání článku na tohle téma?
Takový to byl krááásný život, bez těch dnešních hnusných jen po mamonu toužících developerů...
Tomáš Fiala
Re: Re: Ještě jedno doplnění bych měl
Uživatel Martin napsal:Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...Pane Fiala neuvažujete o napsání článku na tohle téma?
Nevím. Možná. Pouvažuju. Ale pochybuju, že na tohle téma jde vytvořit něco dokonalejšího, než je film Věry Chytilové. Možná se pletu, ale mám dojem, že se jmenoval "Sídliště".
Tomáš Fiala
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Uživatel pepe9 napsal:Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...
Tak teraz by im to malo drbnut z 3,5 metra na hlavu
Bohužel, není možná. Oni si tam za naše peníze nechali udělat nové stropy a natáhnout lepidlo do perlinky a štuk... :-/
Martin
Re: Re: Re: Ještě jedno doplnění bych měl
Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:Uživatel Martin napsal:Máte zřejmě na mysli "Panelstory aneb Jak se rodí sídliště" :-) Samozřejmě sem nemyslel, že by se článek věnoval jen tématu "Sídliště":-) Spíše sem měl na mysli něco jako "Život člověka v reálném socialismu" :-)...
Nevím. Možná. Pouvažuju. Ale pochybuju, že na tohle téma jde vytvořit něco dokonalejšího, než je film Věry Chytilové. Možná se pletu, ale mám dojem, že se jmenoval "Sídliště".
Tomáš Fiala
Re: Re: Re: Re: Ještě jedno doplnění bych měl
Uživatel Martin napsal:Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:...Máte zřejmě na mysli "Panelstory aneb Jak se rodí sídliště" :-) Samozřejmě sem nemyslel, že by se článek věnoval jen tématu "Sídliště":-) Spíše sem měl na mysli něco jako "Život člověka v reálném socialismu" :-)
Jaaasně! Panelstory! No on to je obraz života v reálsocialismu. Já to pochopil, že nejde jen o sídliště jako takové. Zkusím dát něco dokupy. Mám teď čas. Navíc mám doma kroniky, které psal táta o chalupě a tam můžu ledacos zajímavého vyčíst. Jen tak mimochodem. Tu chalupu si naši nekoupili z rozmaru. Chtěli jednou na dovolenou na Jadran. A tak si jednak dávali trošku peněz stranou a každý rok žádost o výjezdní doložku a devizový příslib do Jugošky. No. Nakonec koupili chalupu... :-)))
Petr Málek
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ještě jedno doplnění bych měl
Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:Jaaasně! Panelstory! No on to je obraz života v reálsocialismu. Já to pochopil, že nejde jen o sídliště jako takové. Zkusím dát něco dokupy. Mám teď čas. Navíc mám doma kroniky, které psal táta o chalupě a tam můžu ledacos zajímavého vyčíst. Jen tak mimochodem. Tu chalupu si naši nekoupili z rozmaru. Chtěli jednou na dovolenou na Jadran. A tak si jednak dávali trošku peněz stranou a každý rok žádost o výjezdní doložku a devizový příslib do Jugošky. No. Nakonec koupili chalupu... :-)))
Jj, článek by byl super. Kdyby se Vám podařilo najít čas na sepsání, tak to pošlete na info@mises.cz a my se postaráme o zbytek :) Snad Vámi napsaný článek potom vydáme i dřív než za pět let :)
Martin
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Uživatel Tomáš Fiala napsal:Uživatel Martin napsal:Oukej zkuste dát něco dokupy pač né každej má žaludek na to, aby koukal na Panelstory :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYa6KIRQ_Zk...
Jaaasně! Panelstory! No on to je obraz života v reálsocialismu. Já to pochopil, že nejde jen o sídliště jako takové. Zkusím dát něco dokupy. Mám teď čas. Navíc mám doma kroniky, které psal táta o chalupě a tam můžu ledacos zajímavého vyčíst. Jen tak mimochodem. Tu chalupu si naši nekoupili z rozmaru. Chtěli jednou na dovolenou na Jadran. A tak si jednak dávali trošku peněz stranou a každý rok žádost o výjezdní doložku a devizový příslib do Jugošky. No. Nakonec koupili chalupu... :-)))
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